IT IS 5:00 IN NEW YORK CITY, AND THIS IS “THE FIVE” .” THE 2020 DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY TURNING INTO AN ABSOLUTE CIRCUS. AND CNN IS BEING BRUTALLY MOCKED FOR MAKING IT EVEN WORSE. CNN LOSING EVEN MORE CREDIBILITY AND TURNING IT INTO A GAME SHOW NETWORK BY REVEALING THE UPCOMING DEBATE LINEUPS LIKE THIS.>>WE WANT TO RANDOMLY DRAW CANDIDATES.>>I’M GOING TO TAKE THEM AND MIX THEM UP SO THAT WE CAN THEN DRAW FROM A CANDIDATE BOX.>>ANOTHER SHUFFLE. MIX THEM UP.>>I’M GOING TO GIVE THESE A GOOD MIX. I’M GOING TO GIVE THEM A GOOD SHUFFLE.>>PLACED THEM INTO THE DEBATES BOX.>>WE HAVE MULTIPLE CAMERA VIEWS.>>YOU CAN WATCH THE CAMERA ABOVE ME OVERHEAD.>>I WILL NOT LOOK INTO THE BOX, BUT YOU CAN WITH THE OVERHEAD CAMERA. [LAUGHTER]>>Jesse: TOUGH TO WATCH. BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY CANDIDATES IT IS BROKEN INTO TWO NIGHTS. FACING OFF ON NIGHT ONE, BERNIE SANDERS AND ELIZABETH WARREN, BATTLING TO SEE WHO IS THE BIGGEST SOCIALIST. AND GREG AND I ARE PARTICULARLY HAPPY ABOUT THIS. MARION WILLIAMSON WILL JOIN THEM ON STAGE TO SPREAD THE LOVE. AND THE SECOND NIGHT FEATURES A REMATCH BETWEEN JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS. WE WILL SEE IF SLEEPY JOE WILL ACTUALLY FIGHT BACK THIS TIME. GREG, I HAVE NOT SEEN IT BECAUSE I DO NOT WATCH CNN UNTIL THEN, I THINK THEY MADE IT LESS INTERESTING.>>Greg: IT IS AMAZING. THE SERIOUS MUSIC MADE IT FUNNIER. CNN IS THE CARNIVAL NEWS NETWORK. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE CLOWNS, NOW THEY HAVE THE ATTRACTION. THEY NEED TO ADD A DUNK TANK, PIE EATING CONTEST, A RING TOSS WHERE JOHN LENNON CAN TOSS RINGS ON CHRIS COMEAU’S HEAD. I FEEL LIKE I’M BEING TOO MEAN OR NOT MEAN ENOUGH. CNN IS THE NETWORK WITHOUT RIGHT. BECAUSE CLOSE FRIENDS TELL YOU WHEN YOU ARE MAKING A FOOL OUT OF YOURSELF. HEY, THAT IS AN OBVIOUS TOUPEE, CHRIS, YOU ARE NOT FUNNY. PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE WISED IT DOWN OR YOU NEED MOUTHWASH, BUT NOBODY IS TELLING CNN THAT THEY LOOK LIKE IDIOTS WHEN THEY DO THIS STUFF.>>Jesse: MSNBC SHOULD BE LIKE HEY, GUYS, YOU HAVE SOME CHATTER.>>Greg: KNOCK ON THE DOOR.>>Jesse: LISA, WHAT WAS THAT STRATEGY? JUST TRYING TO GRAB RATINGS OR SHOW TRANSPARENCY?>>Lisa: PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH, BUT PROBABLY RATINGS, AND THE SPECIAL WAS CALLED THE DRAW. I READ “THE WASHINGTON POST” WRITE UP ABOUT IT THAT AN EIGHT PERSON PANEL WAS ANALYZING EVERY MOVE THROUGHOUT THE HOUR. YOU HAD MULTIPLE PEOPLE PULLING THE CARDS AND FIGURING OUT WHICH CANDIDATE WOULD BE ON WHAT NIGHT, SO ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. BUT WHAT I AM INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT FOR THE DEBATE IS HOW BADLY DIMINISHED BIDEN AND ERNIE ARE BY WHO THEY ARE ON THE STAGE WITH. BECAUSE KAMALA HARRIS DID SOME MAJOR DAMAGE TO JOE BIDEN. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE BERNIE ON THE STAGE WITH ELIZABETH WARREN, SOMEBODY WHO HAS THE EXACT SAME POLICY DECISIONS BUT HIS YOUNGER AND MORE INTERESTING, YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT COULD HURT THEM SIGNIFICANTLY.>>Jesse: THERE WAS A RACIAL ANGLE TO THE WHOLE MESS AND ONE OF THE CNN ANALYST COMMENTED ON IT. LET’S WATCH IT AND JUAN CAN RESPOND.>>IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT IN THE MOST DIVERSE FIELD THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS EVER HAD, ALL OF THE FIRST NIGHTS ARE WHITE CANDIDATES, AND THE DIVERSITY IS IN THE SECOND NIGH NIGHT. AND RACE HAS BEEN A FRONT AND CENTER ISSUE IN AMERICA THIS WEEK. IT HAS BEEN IN THE CAMPAIGN. IT IS AN ISSUE THAT IS COURSING THROUGH THIS DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY.>>Jesse: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, JUAN?>>Lisa: DOES THAT MEAN CNN IS RACIST?>>Juan: YOU GUYS SEE RACE AND EVERYTHING. [GROUP REACTION]>>Jesse: SOMEBODY QUOTE THAT, CLICK THAT RIGHT THERE.>>Juan: ALL THAT CNN DID, THAT YOU HAVE RIGHTLY MOCK THEM FOR, IT WAS A TRANSPARENT OPERATION. YOU CAN SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON, THERE WAS NO BIAS. WHAT KIND OF CRITICISM OR CRITIQUE IS THAT OF THE OWN NETWORK? TO ME IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT THE REAL NEWS HERE IS AS LISA WAS SAYING, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE KAMALA HARRIS ONCE AGAIN UP AGAINST JOE BIDEN. SO IT WILL BE THE REDO IN DETROIT. AND YOU WILL WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. HE WAS NOT PREPARED LAST TIME, LET’S SEE IF HE IS THIS TIME. HE WILL ALSO HAVE CORY BOOKER ON THAT BASIS, AND HE HAS BEEN FAR MORE CRITICAL OF JOE BIDEN FOR SAYING, NOT ABOUT BUSTING, BUT FOR SAYING THAT HE CAN CROSS THE PARTISAN LINE, AND PROVE THAT HE CAN DO BUSINESS WITH SEGREGATION IN THE PAST. GUESS WHAT CORY BOOKER DID NOT BENEFIT WHEN KAMALA HARRIS WENT UP IN THE POLL? SO NOW HE SEES THIS AS HIS OPPORTUNITY THAT IT WILL BE LIKE A MOVEMENT AROUND JOE BIDEN. BY THE WAY, THE POLLS CAME OUT TODAY, AND AGAIN, BIDEN IS UP. CLOSE TO 9 ON EVERYBODY.>>Greg: BUT MARY IS COMING ON STRONG.>>Jesse: I’M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THE POLLS THAT JUST CAME ON, BECAUSE TRUMP IS UP 38 PERCENT IN THE NEWS POLL, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. BUT MOVING ON, EMILY, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE SPECTACLE?>>Emily: I DID IN MY HEAD WINNERS AND LOSERS, AND THE ONLY WINNER THAT I SAW IT WAS KAMALA HARRIS, CNN IS A TOTAL LOSER BY THAT DEBACLE, YOU SAID THAT THEY ARE BEING RIGHTLY MOC MOCK. BERNIE SANDERS AND ELIZABETH LOST THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO CHALLENGE BIDEN. AND THEN BIDEN, I PUT THEM IN THE LOSER CATEGORY, BECAUSE HE IS GOING AGAINST KAMALA HARRIS AND ALSO CORY BOOKER. HE WILL BE LOOKING AT DOUBLE PASS BASED ON THE RACIAL RECORD, IT WOULD NOT MOVE A SYNONYM FOR HIM TO DEFEND HIS RECORD BY NOT GOING THERE. IT WILL BE DEATH BY 1,000 TIMES. WHAT HE SHOULD DO IS I AM NOT HERE TO LITIGATE THE PAST, I’M ON THE STAGE TO TALK ABOUT NOW, STARTING THE MAN IN THE OVAL OFFICE. THAT IS A BETTER STRATEGY, FOR HIM VERSUS KAMALA HARRIS, IT IS EITHER EARLY ’70s OR 1976 WHEN THE RAIDERS CAME BACK AND BEAT THEM.>>Jesse: SPORTS ANALOGY, , AND IS NOT EVEN HERE.>>Juan: THE FIRST NIGHT IS REALLY INTERESTING TO ME.>>Greg: BECAUSE OF MARIANNE! SHE IS IN FRONT, JUAN, SHE JUMPED IN FRONT OF CORY, KIERSTEN, AND SOME OF THE ELLS. IN NEW HAMPSHIRE. I’M TELLING YOU, SHE IS THE TRUMP, JUAN. WE SHOULD PUT A BET ON IT RIGHT NOW.>>Juan: YOU THINK SHE WILL BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?>>Greg: SHE IS A WILD CARD. I’M COUNTING ON HER GETTING THE NOMINATION.>>Juan: YOU WILL RACK YOUR VOTING –>>Greg: I WAS WRONG ON TRUMP FOR A YEAR AND A HALF. IT WILL HIT ME HARD, JUAN.>>Juan: I AM INTERESTED IN BERNIE SANDERS VERSUS ELIZABETH WARREN.>>Jesse: DO YOU THINK THAT THEY WILL CLASH?>>Juan: I THINK IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A RERUN, BUT WARREN HAS NEW IDEAS, BUT IT IS THE SAME MUSIC. AND THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE MORE BENEFIT GOING AFTER EACH OTHER OR TEAMING UP AND SAYING BAD JOE BIDEN, HE IS A PROBLEM AND THE OLD STUFF AND WE ARE THE NEW –>>OR FOCUS ON TRUMP THE WHOLE TIME?>>Juan: THE OTHER LANE HERE IS CLO BASHAR AND BENNETT.>>Jesse: THERE IS A LIEN THEY ARE?>>Greg: IT IS A 12 ITEMS OR LESS LANE.>>Juan: AND IS PETE BUTTIGIEG SHOW THAT HE BELONGS?>>Jesse: HE HAS RAISED A LOT OF MONEY.>>Greg: FORGET THE CANDIDATES.>>Jesse: I FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE AN IDENTITY CRISIS. ARE THEY THE SERIOUS NEWS NETWORK, OR ARE THEY THE NETWORK ON NEW YEARS AND EVERYBODY GETS DRUNK, WHO ARE THEY?>>Greg: IT IS AN INTERESTING THING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO THEM, BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO LABEL WHETHER THEY ARE NEWS OR COMMENTARY. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE HAVE OPINIONS AND WE ARE NOT REPORTERS, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST WE ARE SPOUTING OFF OPINIONS. WHEN YOU TURN ON CNN, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU WILL GET, YOU HAVE A GUY REPORTING SOMETHING AND THEN HIS OPINION IN THE SAME BREATH AND THEN GET IT WRONG OR RIGHT, BUT YOU CANNOT TELL, IT IS DISHONEST, AND I THINK THAT THEY ARE IN A IDENTITY CRISIS, BECAUSE THEY USED TO BE SOMETHING.>>Jesse: YOU HAVE DONE LENIN THROWING DRINK AFTER DRINK BACK ON NEW YEAR’S AND NOW HE IS THE DEBATE MONITOR.>>DON’T BLAME HIM FOR DRINKING.>>Lisa: MSNBC USED RACHEL MADDOW, AND NOW YOU HAVE DON LEMON WHO IS ESSENTIALLY AN OPINION HOST AS YOU POINTED OUT BEING USED IN CNN, CAN YOU IMAGINE IF FOX DID SOMETHING SIMILAR?